[KenCary]

Check this link out:

https://www.electricsupercharger.com/products.html

Does anyone know someone who has tried one of these?

If the device can generate 1- 1.7PSI while the engine is runnig, this should work.

50Amp drain is a big one on the alternator and equiv to a bit over 1HP drain from the alternator, but then again all superchargers take some power from the motor

Ken

 

[McGuireV10]

Electric superchargers are generally lumped in with Tornado "vortex generators", clamping magnets to your fuel lines, and other "miracle" performance products.

This one is probably a little worse though, since it draws quite a bit of power. Offhand I don't remember what size alternator is in the Nitro, but I'd be surprised if it had 50+ amps worth of excess capacity. The oversize heavy duty alternator in my V10 Ram was "only" 196 amps. I would expect the Nitro to be down around 100 amps.

Additionally, you have to consider that a vehicle like the Nitro has very significant driveline power losses. If they're claiming a MAXIMUM 15 flywheel horsepower gain, you're talking about MAYBE an additional 1 HP at the wheels. For the average dyno, that's essentially unmeasurable. You'll see bigger horsepower fluctuations than that due to minor temperature and humidity changes throughout the day.

Finally, the most obvious point to consider is that if it was really this easy to make a little extra power, you'd have seen it on a production vehicle already. After all, manufacturers do regularly sell turbocharged and supercharged vehicles, and it isn't uncommon for "better" models to have only modest power gains in the 15 or 20 HP range.

 

[KenCary]

Electric superchargers are generally lumped in with Tornado "vortex generators", clamping magnets to your fuel lines, and other "miracle" performance products.

This one is probably a little worse though, since it draws quite a bit of power. Offhand I don't remember what size alternator is in the Nitro, but I'd be surprised if it had 50+ amps worth of excess capacity. The oversize heavy duty alternator in my V10 Ram was "only" 196 amps. I would expect the Nitro to be down around 100 amps.

Additionally, you have to consider that a vehicle like the Nitro has very significant driveline power losses. If they're claiming a MAXIMUM 15 flywheel horsepower gain, you're talking about MAYBE an additional 1 HP at the wheels. For the average dyno, that's essentially unmeasurable. You'll see bigger horsepower fluctuations than that due to minor temperature and humidity changes throughout the day.

Finally, the most obvious point to consider is that if it was really this easy to make a little extra power, you'd have seen it on a production vehicle already. After all, manufacturers do regularly sell turbocharged and supercharged vehicles, and it isn't uncommon for "better" models to have only modest power gains in the 15 or 20 HP range.

This is kind of what I figured, but then again maybe someone actually did a real test and it worked.

In general, when something is too good to be true, it isn't. I'll just have to wait for someone to make a real supercharger for the 3.7

Ken

 

[satchelass]

This style of electric supercharger shouldn't be lumped with turbochargers and superchargers in terms of performance gains. It is more in line with the performance gains provided by cold air intakes, free flowing air filters, and free flowing exhaust systems. The performance increase is due to increase in air flow and additional fuel that can be utilized as a result. That is not voodoo perormance but real combustion principles at work and another way of achieving modest gain. If you check out their website they have an extensive description of the operation and installation. Their claims for performance increase are actually pretty modest especially when compared to some claims on CAI, filter, and exhaust systems which would not supply as much additional air as this system will.

Keep in mind that this system is only designed to be operational at full open throttle conditions so the electrical draw is only occuring when the pedal is to the floor, which is a small percentage of the time so the battery draw shouldn't be an issue with properly operating electrical system.

 

[KenCary]

This style of electric supercharger shouldn't be lumped with turbochargers and superchargers in terms of performance gains. It is more in line with the performance gains provided by cold air intakes, free flowing air filters, and free flowing exhaust systems. The performance increase is due to increase in air flow and additional fuel that can be utilized as a result. That is not voodoo perormance but real combustion principles at work and another way of achieving modest gain. If you check out their website they have an extensive description of the operation and installation. Their claims for performance increase are actually pretty modest especially when compared to some claims on CAI, filter, and exhaust systems which would not supply as much additional air as this system will.

Keep in mind that this system is only designed to be operational at full open throttle conditions so the electrical draw is only occuring when the pedal is to the floor, which is a small percentage of the time so the battery draw shouldn't be an issue with properly operating electrical system.

So do you think this is a viable gadget for $ 300.00?

 

[McGuireV10]

So do you think this is a viable gadget for $ 300.00?

How often do you bomb around at Wide Open Throttle?
Do you think you'll feel an extra 1 HP at the wheels when you're doing it?

 

[KenCary]

How often do you bomb around at Wide Open Throttle?
Do you think you'll feel an extra 1 HP at the wheels when you're doing it?

My question was directed at Satcheless. I am not sure if he likes this thing or not.

If you believe what they say on the website, this thing gives more power than a high end air intake (like a K&N) for about the same price.

To me this device is suspect, but I am trying to keep an open mind.

 

[satchelass]

I am not professing to be an expert on these things. I was just trying to
define the operation of the the system and what kind of performance enhancers it should be grouped with. People seem to be very in love with with CAI systems which is just a tube and a filter, and yet a powered air supply is viewed with great suspicion. In reality they are just doing the same
thing, providing more access to air for combustion! The cost of the systems are not that much different and when the electric motor is not running the filter/tube assembly is supposed to provide the same benefits as a CAI.

Would i put one on my r/t? Probably not. Not because I think its a bad value
or worthless, but because a free flowing intake/ exhaust will get similar results and when they get a true supercharger designed i can decide whether
i am going to ante up the big bucks for big gains.

 

[Dolphin1]

Electric superchargers are generally lumped in with Tornado "vortex generators", clamping magnets to your fuel lines, and other "miracle" performance products.

This one is probably a little worse though, since it draws quite a bit of power. Offhand I don't remember what size alternator is in the Nitro, but I'd be surprised if it had 50+ amps worth of excess capacity. The oversize heavy duty alternator in my V10 Ram was "only" 196 amps. I would expect the Nitro to be down around 100 amps.

Additionally, you have to consider that a vehicle like the Nitro has very significant driveline power losses. If they're claiming a MAXIMUM 15 flywheel horsepower gain, you're talking about MAYBE an additional 1 HP at the wheels. For the average dyno, that's essentially unmeasurable. You'll see bigger horsepower fluctuations than that due to minor temperature and humidity changes throughout the day.

Finally, the most obvious point to consider is that if it was really this easy to make a little extra power, you'd have seen it on a production vehicle already. After all, manufacturers do regularly sell turbocharged and supercharged vehicles, and it isn't uncommon for "better" models to have only modest power gains in the 15 or 20 HP range.

im sorry but i have to ask where you get your info or knowledge.avgerage power loss through the drive train is 15-20% and no more.