The dealer where i bought my nitro from is giving me my first oil change for free, but they say it doesnt need to be done till 10000 kms..... To me that seems way off. From my experience the first one should be done sooner then normal which is usually around 5000km or 3 months because of break in. and to go 10000 anyway would only seem reachable using synthetic which wouldnt be in a brand new engine??? what is everyones thought on this.
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I don't know why they would say that. The maintenance manual specifically says 5000 kms. Even that is high for a first oil change. Some members do it even earlier to remove all the break in residue left in the oil. I'd be sure to question them over that.
i was told that the first oil change should be at 6000 miles wich i guess is 10000 kms or watever, whereas i always have done it at 3000. I was going to but i decided i will be going tomorrow to get it done at around 4500, and from now on will be doing it at 3000 just for ''peace of mind'', as ive never heard of going 6000 between oil changes
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I go every 5000 KM or so.
I bet he wants your MONEY in there every 3k
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yup thats it, :shakehead:
funny, I run Amsoil in mine and my dakota with 40000 on it is on the first oil change since new. My Nitro has 6000 and going strong. My 05 Magnum had 78000 on it when I traded it in on its first oil. My 2000 Freightliner had 1,500,000 miles on it with 2 oil changes.
If you keep testing your oil and adding as needed along with filter changes, a good synthetic will last forever. Will Dodge back that? NO!!!!. They would rather back Sahib in the sands than us. Dino oil will break down and in my opinion isn't worth using. Good synthetics like Ams or Royal Purple. They really are worth their weight in gold.
I test my oil with Blackstone every 20,000 miles. That is unless the last test shows any problems that I should be worried about. I know how much copper, steel, zinc and carbon are in my oil. Do you?
If you keep testing your oil and adding as needed along with filter changes, a good synthetic will last forever. Will Dodge back that? NO!!!!. They would rather back Sahib in the sands than us. Dino oil will break down and in my opinion isn't worth using. Good synthetics like Ams or Royal Purple. They really are worth their weight in gold.
I test my oil with Blackstone every 20,000 miles. That is unless the last test shows any problems that I should be worried about. I know how much copper, steel, zinc and carbon are in my oil. Do you?
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You hit on some interesting points about oil. I worked for Imperial Oil's R&D department for awhile, really interesting experience. We tested oil for dozens of parameters against all kinds of conditions too. Oil today doesn't break down, if you can keep it clean, I'm convinced you could do a change every 50,000 miles and be fine. The biggest limiting factor is the filter and they are getting better all the time.
We fooled around with some synthetics, but I can't comment fully as we didn't have enough data or samples to declare anything. It appeared to me that synthetics were the same, keep them clean and they perform well.
Changing every 5,000 km is for sure old school thinking, oil can last far longer these days, but I doubt you will get any car manufacturer or oil company to challenge this.
If government or some company wanted to make a statement by cutting oil consumption by a huge amount, they would just have to declare that changing the oil filter, not the oil was enough. Simple, but tough to execute.
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Gret information guys. Definately food for thought. Encue debate!! lol
I missed this question somehow.
There are a lot of factors that go into the reasoning of our manufacturers suggestion to change our oil at the suggested intervals. However they are mostly based on pressure from big oil to use more. The rest of the reasons are, as you suggested, contamination due to foreign objects being introduced into your oil.
There is a certain amount of fuel that will get into your oil, however it will burn off just from typical heat built up in the engine and the byproduct is ash. This ash will be filtered out by a "GOOD" oil filter as long as it is changed regularly.
I must emphasize that I don't suggest leaving your oil in your car without maintenance. You must change your filters and send a sample of your oil to a reputable company for analysis at regular intervals or you might as well just change it every 3000 miles.
I use extended drain intervals because as an ex-truck driver that used to have to buy oil by the 55 gallon drum, I understand the value of an extra month or two between drains.
Once I got involved with Amsoil ( I am no longer a rep but still believe in the product) I spent a lot of time finding out what goes wrong with oil that could relate to engine failure. There really is not a lot. Metal breakdown, water contamination, viscosity breakdown are about it. If there is metals in your oil beyond the expected manufacturer spec there is a problem. The testing can in fact tell you where to look. Iron is normally a ring issue, excessive copper is normally a bearing issue, zinc is normally a head or valve issue..........
Its amazing what a little information can do for you and much like checkups with your doctor, these samples sent for analysis can warn you far in advance of a failure.
Amsoil or for that matter any full synthetic is very expensive. The testing is not cheap either so there is certainly not a huge advantage to using it over a 15000 mile drain period, however over 1,000,000 miles certainly is. No, I don't expect to make it that far with a gas motor. In theory, it is possible, but not with the use that I give this vehicle. Mostly around town, start and stop driving will never rack up that kind of mileage.
Not brain surgery here. Just common chemestry.
The manufacturers just tend to go the easy way to provide the warranty.
Yes, in fact this will void your warranty. BUT, companies like AMSOIL will stand behind you and even replace your engine for you, IF you follow their suggestions and test your oil.
I now send my oil in to Blackstone labs once per year to be tested but I only drive 12,000 or so miles per year and the car is still new. I change my filter ever three months and only use Wix filters. So far so good for me.
There are a lot of factors that go into the reasoning of our manufacturers suggestion to change our oil at the suggested intervals. However they are mostly based on pressure from big oil to use more. The rest of the reasons are, as you suggested, contamination due to foreign objects being introduced into your oil.
There is a certain amount of fuel that will get into your oil, however it will burn off just from typical heat built up in the engine and the byproduct is ash. This ash will be filtered out by a "GOOD" oil filter as long as it is changed regularly.
I must emphasize that I don't suggest leaving your oil in your car without maintenance. You must change your filters and send a sample of your oil to a reputable company for analysis at regular intervals or you might as well just change it every 3000 miles.
I use extended drain intervals because as an ex-truck driver that used to have to buy oil by the 55 gallon drum, I understand the value of an extra month or two between drains.
Once I got involved with Amsoil ( I am no longer a rep but still believe in the product) I spent a lot of time finding out what goes wrong with oil that could relate to engine failure. There really is not a lot. Metal breakdown, water contamination, viscosity breakdown are about it. If there is metals in your oil beyond the expected manufacturer spec there is a problem. The testing can in fact tell you where to look. Iron is normally a ring issue, excessive copper is normally a bearing issue, zinc is normally a head or valve issue..........
Its amazing what a little information can do for you and much like checkups with your doctor, these samples sent for analysis can warn you far in advance of a failure.
Amsoil or for that matter any full synthetic is very expensive. The testing is not cheap either so there is certainly not a huge advantage to using it over a 15000 mile drain period, however over 1,000,000 miles certainly is. No, I don't expect to make it that far with a gas motor. In theory, it is possible, but not with the use that I give this vehicle. Mostly around town, start and stop driving will never rack up that kind of mileage.
Not brain surgery here. Just common chemestry.
The manufacturers just tend to go the easy way to provide the warranty.
Yes, in fact this will void your warranty. BUT, companies like AMSOIL will stand behind you and even replace your engine for you, IF you follow their suggestions and test your oil.
I now send my oil in to Blackstone labs once per year to be tested but I only drive 12,000 or so miles per year and the car is still new. I change my filter ever three months and only use Wix filters. So far so good for me.
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·My rule of Thumb has been (is)...........
New Car Purchase (0-50m on odometer):
500-750m Change Oil and Filter (Removes any contaminants from assembly)
2500-3000m Oil Change and Filter (1st real oil change)
5-6000m Oil Change and Filter (2nd)
Every 3-5K there after.
"Oil is cheap" to keep the engine properly lubricated, and running clean.
Also, I use fully syn oil in all my vehicle (except my diesel dump truck)
My .02
New Car Purchase (0-50m on odometer):
500-750m Change Oil and Filter (Removes any contaminants from assembly)
2500-3000m Oil Change and Filter (1st real oil change)
5-6000m Oil Change and Filter (2nd)
Every 3-5K there after.
"Oil is cheap" to keep the engine properly lubricated, and running clean.
Also, I use fully syn oil in all my vehicle (except my diesel dump truck)
My .02
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