[DrSpok]

I want to convert/add the steering wheel function buttons and possibly the function display instrument cluster to my Nitro. I already added the buttons but they do nothing. Maybe i need a different clockspring or computer or programming ? At the very least i was hoping to control the radio. I will be installing either the factory touchscreen radio or the pioneer soon.

 

[bluer101]

I just added a new leather wheel today with steering wheel controls. They don’t work either but going to use appcar diagfca to activate soon. One thing I noticed already is my horn does not work when pushed. It honks when locking the nitro but not from the steering wheel. It worked fine before the swap and no the clock spring did not get damaged. I believe the issue is the wire harness in the wheel. My factory wire has all pins except one with wires. The new wire harness for the switches has all wire pins. I think it needs to be active in the computer to get the switches and horn back working.

 

[bluer101]

Downloaded the program and activate remote steering wheel controls but does not work. I reinstalled the original harness and the horn works again. I don’t know if the new harness is the reason why. It’s brand new for a 2008 Jeep Liberty. The switches and harness all came from a brand new wheel. This is the label part number on the new harness 34028441B.

Activated the backup camera though and fog lights stay on with high beams too.

 

[Scar0]

I was not able to find 34028441B in either the KK or KA parts manuals.

The wires are slightly different if you have advanced EVIC or not.
6 flat connector;
1 Bk (Evic) Ground
1 Gy/Wt (Except Evic) Radio Control Mux
2 Wt/Dg (Evic) Lin Bus
2 Vt/Yl (Except Evic) Radio Control Mux Return
3 Rd (Evic) Fused B(+)
3 Db (Except Evic) Horn Switch Sense
4 Vt/Or S/C Switch Sense 2
5 Vt/Br S/C Switch Return
6 Vt S/C Switch Sense 1
I also see the 2010 wires are different from the 08 posted above.
Could not find the 2011 wire colors.
Cav Color Function
Gy Radio Control Mux Return
Wt Lin Bus
Gy Radio Control Mux Return
Vt S/C Switch Ground
Vt S/C Signal 1
Rd Fused B(+)
Dg Horn Switch Sense
Dg Horn Switch Sense
Or S/C Signal 2
Bk Ground

 

[bluer101]

I was not able to find 34028441B in either the KK or KA parts manuals.

The wires are slightly different if you have advanced EVIC or not.
6 flat connector;
1 Bk (Evic) Ground
1 Gy/Wt (Except Evic) Radio Control Mux
2 Wt/Dg (Evic) Lin Bus
2 Vt/Yl (Except Evic) Radio Control Mux Return
3 Rd (Evic) Fused B(+)
3 Db (Except Evic) Horn Switch Sense
4 Vt/Or S/C Switch Sense 2
5 Vt/Br S/C Switch Return
6 Vt S/C Switch Sense 1
I also see the 2010 wires are different from the 08 posted above.
Could not find the 2011 wire colors.
Cav Color Function
Gy Radio Control Mux Return
Wt Lin Bus
Gy Radio Control Mux Return
Vt S/C Switch Ground
Vt S/C Signal 1
Rd Fused B(+)
Dg Horn Switch Sense
Dg Horn Switch Sense
Or S/C Signal 2
Bk Ground

Thank you Scar0

Can you post the 6 wires for 2010 to compare both regular and advanced. That might be the issue wrong harness. I have read on other dodge car forums that even without the advanced evic the radio buttons work but not the evic ones.

 

[bluer101]

Here are photos from my 2011 original 5 wire and the 2008 6 wire donor.

I bought a brand new 2008 liberty wheel off eBay with controls and a brand new 2010-11 leather wheel bare for wheel controls. So my thought was to use the cheap 2008 liberty guts to outfit the new wheel. This all started because my original non leather wheel started to wear real bad on the top of the wheel. So after finding the program I decided to give it a try. I like the leather wheel too. I wonder I’d the switches are different for 2008 to 2011?

I swapped over only the wire harness and switches, I used my original horn wires and cruise stalk.

 

[Jan]

https://www.nitroforumz.com/threads/random-honking.47793/page-2

Look at this thread

 

[Scar0]

The Pic of the plug you are holding is from the 08KK?
Here is what the KK service manual says they should be;
1. Bk Ground
1. Gy/Wt Radio Control Mux
2. Wt/Dg Lin Bus
2. Vt/Yl Signal Return
3. Rd Fused B(+)
3. Dg/Vt Horn Switch Sense
4. Or/Vt S/C Signal 2
5. Vt/Br S/C Return
6. Vt/Or S/C Signal 1

 

[bluer101]

The Pic of the plug you are holding is from the 08KK?
Here is what the KK service manual says they should be;
1. Bk Ground
1. Gy/Wt Radio Control Mux
2. Wt/Dg Lin Bus
2. Vt/Yl Signal Return
3. Rd Fused B(+)
3. Dg/Vt Horn Switch Sense
4. Or/Vt S/C Signal 2
5. Vt/Br S/C Return
6. Vt/Or S/C Signal 1

Yes that’s the 08KK

The other not holding is my original 11KA without controls with cruise

 

[Scar0]

The one on the desk, does it not have anything in pin 1 slot?
It looks like the black wire is in pin 2 slot.

 

[bluer101]

The one on the desk, does it not have anything in pin 1 slot?
It looks like the black wire is in pin 2 slot.

Yes, nothing in 1. Black in 2.

 

[bluer101]

The Pic of the plug you are holding is from the 08KK?
Here is what the KK service manual says they should be;
1. Bk Ground
1. Gy/Wt Radio Control Mux
2. Wt/Dg Lin Bus
2. Vt/Yl Signal Return
3. Rd Fused B(+)
3. Dg/Vt Horn Switch Sense
4. Or/Vt S/C Signal 2
5. Vt/Br S/C Return
6. Vt/Or S/C Signal 1

This is the back side of my clockspring.

It looks like.


1. Gy/Wt Radio Control Mux
2. Vt/Yl Signal Return
3. Dg/Vt Horn Switch Sense
4. Or/Vt S/C Signal 2
5. Vt/Br S/C Return
6. Vt/Or S/C Signal 1

 

[Scar0]

All I have are diagrams to go by. Not sure why your original harness has the ground in pin2 ?

 

[bluer101]

All I have are diagrams to go by. Not sure why your original harness has the ground in pin2 ?

Me either. The original has

1. empty
2. horn black
3. green horn
4. Or/Vt S/C Signal 2
5. Vt/Br S/C Return
6. Vt/Or S/C Signal 1

Could you post the 2010 pin out location for this 6 wire plug and the evic and stereo switches. With and without evic both cruise. I might be able to change pins in the harness without getting a new harness for 2010-2011. Obviously something changed with 2009+liberty and nitros over 2007-2008.

 

[Scar0]

Unfortunately the info I posted earlier (post 4)is all I have for 2010. The Pin# were not listed, and part of the wire colors were missing also.

I did just find this for 2011
CLOCKSPRING C8 - WHITE (STEERING WHEEL) 6 WAY

1 BK GROUND
1 GY/WT RADIO CONTROL MUX
2 WT/DG LIN BUS
2 VT/YL SENSOR COMMON RETURN
3 RD FUSED B(+)
3 DB HORN SWITCH SENSE
4 PK S/C SWITCH SENSE 2
5 YL S/C SWITCH RETURN
6 VT S/C SWITCH SENSE 1

 

[Scar0]

And this (2011);
Clockspring C2 - Natural (Instrument Panel) 6 Way
1 Gy/Wt Radio Control Mux
1 Bk Ground
2 Wt/Dg Lin Bus
2 Vt/Yl Sensor Common Return
3 Rd Fused B(+)
3 Dg/Vt Horn Switch Sense
4 Or/Vt S/C Switch Sense 2
5 Vt/Br S/C Switch Return
6 Vt/Or S/C Switch Sense 1

 

[bluer101]

Thank you scar0. I think the Nitro or Liberty need to have the advanced evic instrument cluster installed to make it work with the harness I have.

When using the 2011 original harness it’s setup like this

1. empty
2. horn black
3. green horn
4. Or/Vt S/C Signal 2
5. Vt/Br S/C Return
6. Vt/Or S/C Signal 1

The 2008 Liberty harness that I have is setup like this

1. Bk Ground
2. Wt/Dg Lin Bus
3. Rd Fused B(+)
4. Or/Vt S/C Signal 2
5. Vt/Br S/C Return
6. Vt/Or S/C Signal 1

The 2008 harness routes all wires through the right hand evic switch and then out from there to the CLOCKSPRING C8 - WHITE (STEERING WHEEL) 6 WAY terminal
1. Bk Ground
2. Wt/Dg Lin Bus

The cruise control stalk has only 3 wire that come out of it and go directly to the CLOCKSPRING C8 - WHITE (STEERING WHEEL) 6 WAY terminal
4. Or/Vt S/C Signal 2
5. Vt/Br S/C Return
6. Vt/Or S/C Signal 1

Both my original 2011 and 2008 harness and everywhere I have read have these terminals in common. Straight though the clockspring right into the cruise control stalk.

4. Or/Vt S/C Signal 2
5. Vt/Br S/C Return
6. Vt/Or S/C Signal 1

So I’m wondering if I splice the 2008 harness to bypass the evic buttons and only use the 2 wire from each rear radio switches plus the horn to therminals 1, 2, 3 like this

1. Gy/Wt Radio Control Mux~~~~~~Connect Gy/Wt wire the left and right rear radio switches
2. Vt/Yl Signal Return~~~~~~Connect Gy/Br horn wire and Gy/Br left and right rear radio switches
3. Dg/Vt Horn Switch Sense
4. Or/Vt S/C Signal 2
5. Vt/Br S/C Return
6. Vt/Or S/C Signal 1


Does this make sense?

Below is a diagram for the radio switches and photos of the full 2008 harness. Plus my original 2011 harness.

 

[Scar0]

S/C = speed control.
The issue may be the cluster harness and what wires are connected to the cluster.
The extra wire is for CAN communication and the loss of B+ most likely will prevent the horn switches from working.
The Non advanced EVIC cluster may prevent anything from working. I have not pulled my cluster to see if the Pins are actually there for it all. Even if they are, it may be a cluster programming issue.
If B+ gets on the CAN network you can kill computers. It's 5v

 

[Jan]

I have time to tomorrow to take pictures of my setup. As soon as you program your computers you will lose fused + that originally comes from cluster.

 

[bluer101]

Thank you both. I already still have it activated in the computer with the old harness in there and everything works, cruise and horn like original.

Jan, pictures would be great. What did you do and swap out?