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I know that the Nitro has the "esp" and Traction control - atleast I think that is correct. Is the Nitro Traction control, basically Limited slip?

If so , even though it only has 4wd hi, it should do ok in mud and small rocks if, I would think? Sure it won't "rock crawl" but still, should be able to get to my favorite fishing hole. Thoughts, feedback....
 

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ESP should be quite a bit better than a "limited slip" diff. It has some intelligence built in that will deliver power to the wheels with the most traction (in either 2wd or 4wd). I have towed the ATV trailer into some trailheads thru mud & snow & not had any problems.

So far the only thing that has stopped it was snow too deep to get either the air dam or the ATV trailer over. The approach & departure angles pretty much suck..... it's no Jeep. Maybe with some kind of front & rear bumper that will improve.
 

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It has what is known as BLSD, or Brake Limited Slip. If a wheel spins, brakes (using the ABS system) are applied to the spinning wheel, which forces power across the axel to the non spinning wheel. It is not nearly as effective as any type of limited slip or locking differential, as you are removing power from the axel by using the brakes. Add in the fact that the throttle is reduced by the ESP when spinning is detected, and you have one terrible off-road setup. If you are driving slowly (off road?) in mud or snow, I would highly recommend you turn traction control off.

Now for on road purposes, the system works fantastic at correcting major oversteer, which is exactly what it was designed for.
 

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4 wheel drive lock

On my 4x4 R/T (and I believe all other U.S. 4x4 Nitros) when switched to 4 wheel drive the differential is locked and should perform well in mud and snow, or other slippery surfaces. The owner's manual clearly states that you should not use 4 wheel drive on hard dry surfaces as damage to the transmission may occur.

This is similar to a limited slip differential, but more "locked" and should perform better than a limited slip on loose surfaces IMHO.
 

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I know that the Nitro has the "esp" and Traction control - atleast I think that is correct. Is the Nitro Traction control, basically Limited slip?
Yes. Except for a slightly different clutch pack, the Nitro axles (front & rear) are identical to the limited-slip axles you’ll find on any other vehicle.

ESP should be quite a bit better than a "limited slip" diff. It has some intelligence built in that will deliver power to the wheels with the most traction (in either 2wd or 4wd).
ESP is not the same as TCS (traction control system). ESP protects against over and under steer, but doesn't help traction. TCS maintains equal axle speeds AFTER the wheels have begun to slip by applying brake pressure to the spinning wheel(s). That’s a good thing on wet or icy roads, but not necessarily good in mud holes or steep inclines.

On my 4x4 R/T (and I believe all other U.S. 4x4 Nitros) when switched to 4 wheel drive the differential is locked and should perform well in mud and snow, or other slippery surfaces.
The differentials on the Nitro don’t “lock”. The only Mopars with factory locking differentials are Power Wagons and Rubicons. If you don’t have an air or electrical switch like my PW, you’re not locking the differentials. The Nitro's 4WD switch only engages the transfer case so that the front axle is under power. It’s similar to the manual “dog-leg” on the Ram, but it’s definitely not locked differentials and it doesn’t increase the “crawl-ratio”.

The Nitro will have good traction on muddy dirt roads and light off-roading, but I wouldn’t expect much more from it. A single speed transfer case (with no reduction), non-locking differentials, and poor axle articulation will prevent it from any decent off-road capability. Larger mud/snow tires won’t help, because they’ll negate what little crawl ratio the Nitro has.

IMHO, the best money you can spend to improve the Nitro’s current off-road capabilities is to install a 6,000 LB winch. You’re going to need it for anything aggressive.:)

Mark
 

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Yes. Except for a slightly different clutch pack, the Nitro axles (front & rear) are identical to the limited-slip axles you’ll find on any other vehicle.
Actually most vehicles, including the Nitro, have "open" differentials. Limited slip differentials were standard on the rear axle of Cherokee Classic's (among others), and allow some slip, using a clutch pack. You can tell you don't have a limited slip by putting the vehicle on a hoist, and spinning one wheel while holding the other wheel on the same axle. If the wheel spins freely in either direction, it's an open differential.

The differentials on the Nitro don’t “lock”. The only Mopars with factory locking differentials are Power Wagons and Rubicons. If you don’t have an air or electrical switch like my PW, you’re not locking the differentials. The Nitro's 4WD switch only engages the transfer case so that the front axle is under power.

The Nitro will have good traction on muddy dirt roads and light off-roading, but I wouldn’t expect much more from it. A single speed transfer case (with no reduction), non-locking differentials, and poor axle articulation will prevent it from any decent off-road capability. Larger mud/snow tires won’t help, because they’ll negate what little crawl ratio the Nitro has.
This is true though. :)
 

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Since the Nitro is hardly considered a "real 4x4", but more of an SUV with 4wd for bad weather, I wouldn't imagine there would be a huge market for this kind of mod.
But then again, I'd bet that VW never saw the baja bug market coming either!
 

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It has what is known as BLSD, or Brake Limited Slip. If a wheel spins, brakes (using the ABS system) are applied to the spinning wheel, which forces power across the axel to the non spinning wheel. It is not nearly as effective as any type of limited slip or locking differential, as you are removing power from the axel by using the brakes. Add in the fact that the throttle is reduced by the ESP when spinning is detected, and you have one terrible off-road setup. If you are driving slowly (off road?) in mud or snow, I would highly recommend you turn traction control off.

Now for on road purposes, the system works fantastic at correcting major oversteer, which is exactly what it was designed for.
it suggests turning off traction control before using 4wd in snow/mud in the manual :cool:
 

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Sorry for trawling this old thread up but...

I have been looking into putting lockers or LSD's into my Euro 2.8 CRD Nitro SXT (6 speed Manual Gearbox), mainly to fully exploit its 4WD capability, less for pure offroading ability but more for ensuring I don't look a fool and end up getting stuck in the muddy field temporary car park or the lightly snow covered 1:10 gradient like a BMW X6, and have narrowed it down to the following.. Front Diff is a 27 spline Dana 30, Rear is a Chrysler Corporate 210mm. (if anyone knows different please correct me)
The Dana 30 is quite a common front or rear use diff used in lots of different makes, and there are many different possibilities for changing the internals, cheap 'lunchbox' lockers, more expensive 'proper' Limited Slip Differentials and more expensive still air, cable or electrically operated locking diffs.
The Chrysler Corporate 210 is the same as those fitted to Mercedes Benz C32, CLK55 and Chrysler 5.7 Hemi (210 axle) less options here. If the Nitro had used the Chrysler 8.25" diff there would be more options here.
My research has come up with the following.. both diffs in the Nitro use 3.73:1 ratios, unlike the Liberty's which are different, due to the transfer box being different to the one in the Nitro (again, if anyone knows different please let me know, I have been unable to find much info on the standard diff ratios)
For the Front axle (selectable 4WD)..
Forget 'Lunchbox' Lockers if you are thinking of extra grip in snow, the AussieLocker or Richmond Lock-Right looks like a cheap and easy fit into the front diff, but it seems that the characteristics of its operation do not suit snowy and icy conditions, it'll just throw you all over the road and click away merrily to itself whenever you go around a corner. Good option if you just want a locked front diff when in 4WD for the odd off road excursion.
The Eaton/Detroit Truetrac LSD looks like the best option for the front diff, automatic operation, works well with the Nitro's ESP brake control, has little effect on steering as it operates and makes no noise.
The ARB air locker or an equivalent cable operated or electrically operated unit is good for those times when you know you're going to have one wheel off the ground or with no traction at all, Best for getting you out of situations that nothing else but a winch would normally, but needs to be used with care and consideration, locked diffs are a handful and your tyres will not like you using it too often.
For the Rear (always in use in 2WD or 4WD)..
Forget about the 'Lunchbox' Lockers, act like a locked diff most of the time and will hurt your tyres and ears with its clicking and tyre squealing. I have not been able to find one that will fit the 210mm diff anyway.
The only true Limited Slip Differential I can find is the Quaife QDF7V for a 210mm differential with 3.73:1 ratio (if the ratio is different then a different Quaife part number may apply here)
ARB and other diff lockers, again they are best for true rock trail runs where you're going to have wheels dangling in mid air half the time, good in that they are disconnectable when you get back on the black stuff.
I have not been able to find a 210mm version of these either.
Not sure if the Nitro's ESP would work with or against the Air locked diffs or the Aussie Locker or if it'll just ignore it since all the wheels are going at the same speed.
Comments, corrections and general observations/personal experiences welcome..
 

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The ESP on our Nitros was designed with on-road ability in mind. To make your Nitro better off road some lift, some good tires and a good locker are your primary areas to upgrade. The Spartan Locker would be a good choice and it's worked great in my Cherokee.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00859WL14...e=asn&creative=395109&creativeASIN=B00859WL14
I wouldn't recommend a locker in the front end unless you go with an air-locker setup for better control over when it is and isn't locked.
A 2-speed transfer case would be a nice swap as well and i'm sure someone will end up doing that with a direct swap from a newer Jeep Liberty but that would be much more involved.
There are ways to make our Nitros better off-road but in stock form, they're just not up to the task of any hard-core off-road use.
 

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A DTT (Detroit Tru-Trac) may be the way to go. One of 08+ Libby guys here really likes it.
Hopefully he will be along to enlighten us...
 

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OK, lets go down the list:

First the front diff is a D30M. The M variant is a aluminum IFS version of the D30 found under the new JK Wrangles built as Unlimiteds, X's, and Sahara's.

The old KJ Liberties used a D30A which means nothing can be used from a KJ. In general, the M was over built utilizing larger half shafts and splines, larger ring and pinion gears and more structural reinforcement ribs.

As for the rear, The Chrysler 8.25 and Corporate 210 MM are one and the same. As long as the parts are for a 29 spline 8.25, they will work in the rear.


Locker info in the next post
 

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~~~~LOCKERS~~~~

The rear axle is the easiest since almost any thing will fit. However I going to put this out there now.... Just say no to lunch box lockers...... You get what you pay for. I have a nice little story about the one I had in the rear of my KK, however I can post any details due to an agreement with said company. What I can tell you is it lasted 1800 miles.


The front is where it gets a little harder. The real only viable options would be a ARB or a Detroit tru trac .

The DTT is one of the best options since:

1. It is a direct install
2. No machining needed
3. Cheaper then the ARB


While the ARB is a true locker, it has a few negitives:

1. Cost of the unit plus air compressor and parts need to make it work
2. Some machine work need to allow the half shafts to be removable.

On my KK, I run dual DTT's for a few reasons:

1. Cost
2. No user interface needed
3. With the BLDS system, it effective turns the DTT in to full lockers.

The BLDS is a direct take off of the Torsen diff used in H1 Humvee's:

Torsen differentials can transfer from two to four times the torque from one wheel to the other. This is a big improvement over open differentials. But if one wheel is off the ground, the other wheel still gets no torque.To handle this problem, the Hummer is equipped with a brake traction control system. When one tire starts to slip, the brake traction control applies the brakes to that wheel. This accomplishes two things:

  • It keeps that tire from slipping, allowing it to make maximum use of its available traction.
  • It allows the other wheel to apply more torque.
 
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